It has to be one of the most important questions in the world, do you prefer the original Breadbin design or the newer C64C?
I have to admit I liked the design of the C64C a bit better but on every game I tried the sampled speech was absolutely rubbish on the C64c compared to the breadbin.
I remember first playing Ghostbusters and loving the loud shout of GHOSTBUSTERS!
Disaster struck at some point and a heavy wooden coat hook frame and dropped on my breadbin when my mum was tidying!
I got the new one with the Light Fantastic pack and the wonderful SEUCK and everything was fine with the world again ..... until ... I played Ghostbusters and rather than the triumphant shout it was barely a whisper
Maybe it was just my C64 that had a dodgy sound chip but I heard it being a fairly common complaint.
I really liked the design/colour of the C64C, but consider the fact that the C64C would most likely have come equipped with a 8580 SID and revised VIC II. The former 'fixed' the anomalies in the chip design that allowed it play digital samples, while the latter modified the lumas in the colour palette - on this alone, I guess the breadbin provides a more guaranteed experience?
Post by aNdy/AL/Cosine on Sept 4, 2019 18:59:50 GMT
I have plenty of love for both.
My original machine from 1984 was obviously of the breadbin variety, so most of my memories are with that "shape".
These days, my breadbins are semi-retired because of their age; they do get dragged out for game/demo testing purposes. My main machine is a C64c that I bought second hand a few years ago. It's not as old as my breadbins so I'm not as worried about it going bang, but more importantly, it has an 8580 SID and since most of the SID music I write is 8580 based, it makes sense to have this as my main machine for testing purposes.
Of all of my Commodore computers, my C128 is my favorite. But when it comes to my C64s, I prefer my 1983 bread bin model with the tan coloured function keys. I do notice sound differences between it and my C64C, but I also found out that a cracked version of the game "Popeye" I have crashes on the C64C; but not on my bread bins.
I had a Breadbin model in the 80s. I have a C64C now. The sound difference is down to the SID chip version. The 8580 doesn't allow for sampled sounds in the way the 6581 does but it does allow far more flexibility otherwise. Just listen to some 8580 specific demos and be amazed and what's capable. A good example to start is LMan's Vortex which combines 3 tracks in one, which sounds awful on a 6581.
I really like both. I know there are some slight differences, but I like them just as much. My first ever C64 was a breadbin. After that a C64, which I still own and use. I also do own a breadbin, but that one is in such a good shape, I want it to stay that way as long as possible!
I’ve thought about this for a while, and I always come up with the same answer. For me the original “breadbin” is what I think of when someone mentions a Commodore 64. I never owned the breadbin originally, although it was the first one I ever used at a friends house, I think that’s maybe where my allegiance began. When I did receive my C64 it was a C64C, my favourite game was impossible mission, and well I think you know where this is going! To hear the infamous “ah, another visitor, stay a while, stay foreverrrrrrrr” in the quietest voice ever was hugely disappointing for me, so much so I managed to swap my new C64C for a breadbin. At first my parents thought my C64C was broken so said they’d take it back, but the next one was the same, eventually they let me swap it with my friends. It worked out for us both as my mate was into programming and he said it was a better shape for typing, I got a proper Commodore 64 for pure gaming in return, with what I still regard today as the best sounding SID chip! Today I sometimes get asked to put an older longboard into a C64C case, better sound, better ergonomics, and also vice versa, a newer shortboard into a breadbin, looks retro, but with added reliability. So all in all I suppose it’s what you want personally that dictated which is best. Breadbin every time!!
As a teen I had a 64C but last year when I wanted to get back into the Commodore again I got a bread bin because I'd read so much about how much better the sound and graphics were. When glitches started appearing I reinvested and decided to go back to the 64C. For a while I had them side by side and while the 64C plays samples quieter, the graphical differences with older games is negligible. With games that came later in the 64's lifespan I notice they seem to look a tiny bit better on the 64C and as Ponder pointed out those working with the newer SID chip were able to get more out of it. Given there were so few games using samples I'm so much happier with the 64C... so are my wrists when I've been typing for a while
Given there were so few games using samples I'm so much happier with the 64C... so are my wrists when I've been typing for a while
The slightly lower profile of the C64C does has its advantages, that's for sure. Between it and my C64 breadbin, it's the one that can fit on the slide-out keyboard tray of my desk (unlike the breadbin which is just a little too high).